Esther - Healing Through Faith and Headphones
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Adeel [0:01]: Welcome to the Misophonia Podcast. This is Season 7, Episode 25. My name's Adeel Ahmad, and I have Misophonia. This week I'm talking to Esther, a student in the UK. Esther talks about her journey of healing through prayer and the positive impact it's had on her misophonia. She discusses the challenges she faced in school and how she found relief through noise-canceling headphones and other coping methods. Esther emphasizes the importance of supportive relationships and understanding from her family and friends. She encourages others to explore the connection between faith and healing in their own lives. After the show, let me know what you think. You can reach out by email at hellomissiphoniapodcast.com or hit me up on Instagram or Facebook at Missiphonia Podcast. By the way, please do head over and leave a quick rating or review wherever you listen to the show. It helps us drive up in the search algorithms and that helps us reach more listeners. A few of my usual announcements. Thanks for the incredible ongoing support of our Patreon supporters. If you feel like contributing, you can read all about the various levels at patreon.com slash misophonia podcast. And of course, the book Sounds Like Misophonia by Dr. Jane Gregory and I, which is a self-help book on misophonia, is available everywhere by Bloomsbury Publishers. You can find it online or at your favorite bookstore. This episode is also sponsored by my personal journaling app. Basal, B-A-S-A-L. Basal provides AI-powered insights into your journal entries and guides you with new writing prompts every day based on those insights. You can explore many different therapy modalities and approaches. It's available for iOS and Android. Check the show notes or go to hellobasal.com. All right, now here's my conversation with Esther. Esther, welcome to the podcast. Great to have you here.
Esther [1:58]: Thank you.
Adeel [1:59]: So do you want to tell us a little bit about where you're located and what you do?
Esther [2:06]: Yeah, so I come from a small village called Burwell in the UK, in England. And I'm studying biology, physics and photography at college in Cambridge.
Adeel [2:20]: Oh, very cool. Okay. And that was quite a variety. Are you getting kind of minors in each or is one of them kind of more of a extra?
Esther [2:28]: So I don't know if you know about the UK system, but we're doing A-levels, so I'm not studying them at university degree. So we have three A-levels and they're equally balanced.
Adeel [2:42]: Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, no, I didn't know that at all. nice okay and um so gotcha and and yeah so you're you're in school um at cambridge and this is the cambridge university that the people everyone kind of like knows about the world-renowned university
Esther [2:59]: Oh, no, I'm not at Cambridge University.
Adeel [3:01]: Well, I'll cut this part out then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just curious.
Esther [3:05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Adeel [3:07]: Don't worry. Okay. No worries, no worries. Great. Well, yeah, so I guess, yeah, you reached out, and I know there's a couple things you want to talk about, especially in terms of kind of like what's helped you the most, and yeah, I'd love to get to that. But maybe, so basically, how's life at where you're going to school right now in terms of misophonia and and how you're handling things.
Esther [3:30]: Yeah, so at the start when I was in year 12, that's my first year of A-Levels. It was very difficult for me because I would have a, well, I travel there about for three hours. It takes me three hours and 20 minutes of traveling a day collectively. And so obviously on the bus, there's like a lot of triggers there. So that would not be very fun for me. And, you know, my mum tried to help and she got me some like AirPods and they were supposed to be noise cancelling, but they didn't really work. So then that was not great. And then she got me some Bose headphones that were really good. So that really helped with the bus and like travelling. But at school, it initially was quite hard. um because people would like eat in the study areas and then they weren't supposed to but um they would do it anyway but shocking um and so then it was very difficult because i i would often like sit down we have like two different study rooms like a quiet one and then supposedly like noisier one um so I'd go into like one study room then I'd try the other and then I'd try sitting in the canteen area and then I'd have to try and find a classroom and it's just annoying because I just want to sit down and do my work um but then it things have gotten a lot better since getting the like noise cancelling headphones they are super helpful and also like um my misophonia started to get better so it's not really an issue anymore so that's good
Adeel [5:11]: Yeah, I'd love to hear more about that in a second. So, well, that's great. Yeah, the headphones that you have from your headphones from your mom. Maybe going back, like, when did things start? When did you start noticing misophonia? Was it in the family environment?
Esther [5:28]: Yeah, so... It started, I think it was around the end of April 2017. And it was just, I remember it was just before we went on holiday to Italy. um and it was like mostly my family that were to trigger me and i just started it just kind of came on for like no apparent reason and um it was quite hard because i was also a bit of a hypochondriac at that time and i would always think oh mom like i've got this and then i would i would never have it you know and i'd just be over like worrying so like when i told my parents like oh i think i've got misophonia they didn't like necessarily like believe me at first so that was quite hard because i had to like put up with the triggers and it was it was because they didn't really think i had it it was hard to get like support gotcha and um and so how old were you around that time um i was i would have been uh 11 i think
Adeel [6:39]: And it's typical kind of like typical home sounds. Probably mealtime or that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah. And how long did it take for them to take it seriously? Because obviously your mom did at some point.
Esther [6:51]: I think... like it when i was in like maybe it was kind of like a it wasn't like oh they suddenly take it seriously it was more of a gradual thing so it was like i think when they when they were like okay right like we need to like properly get this sorted out and everything like that um and that was when my school started to know about it as well when i was when i was in year eight so i would have been about 13 so There was, I think the first year of having dysphonia was like the hardest year because they didn't really like understand, but yeah.
Adeel [7:30]: So you were getting triggered at school too.
Esther [7:33]: um yeah sometimes it all depends on the environment because i find that if it's just all quiet around and there's someone eating then i get triggered but like as i moved into secondary school uh we had really noisy lunch halls and the they kind of i kind of find when it's like layers of sound um like that will drown out the trigger. So it was just if it was all quiet that I got triggered. So I could eat lunch with my friends, but other than that, it was quite hard.
Adeel [8:07]: Yeah, if there was a lot of background noises and things going on, then it was easier to mask it. And I guess at home, though, how did you deal with it? Did you kind of lash out? It must have been pretty confusing.
Esther [8:24]: Yeah, I didn't deal with it that well at the start because, yeah, it was just like, if I got... triggered I would like scream I would shout I would like I don't know like just like if I was holding something that like like I remember having a notebook in my hand and I just threw it down in anger one time and it was just because like it just I really didn't enjoy it because it just like brought out this like angry person in me that I didn't like and so that was quite hard but I got a bit of therapy for misophonia when I was in year nine so I would have been 14 then and that helped to it didn't like get rid of the misophonia but it helped my reactions to be a lot more gently so instead of like screaming mom stop swallowing or like dad stop slurping like I would um gently tap them and be like oh dad you're triggering me um so yeah
Adeel [9:31]: So was that the advice that you got from the professional was kind of better ways of communicating?
Esther [9:39]: I actually don't know if it was him or if I just kind of figured out myself, but he did definitely help me to calm down my reactions so they were more internal instead of external.
Adeel [9:53]: Gotcha. Okay. Okay. And did you have any other, I don't know, you said you were hypochondriac, but I'm curious, did you have any other like overlapping conditions around that time, ADHD, things like that, that many of us do?
Esther [10:08]: Do you mean, like, like, um... Oh, yeah.
Adeel [10:11]: OCDs or... Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Esther [10:16]: Okay, yeah, so, um... Um, yeah.
Adeel [10:18]: You don't have to, like, get into them. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
Esther [10:21]: It's fine, yeah. I did have a bit of, like, OCD, but, like, I don't really think it was, like... linked to that because it was more rumination OCD where like I get it's basically it's like you get unwanted thoughts um and I also like I think I had a bit of depression as well so having that and misophonia didn't really help so yeah
Adeel [10:44]: can be a spiral worse than a spiral yeah was there i mean you're thinking back to your childhood i'm just kind of curious uh did you i always ask this because it just kind of comes up so often is like were there any kind of like uh kind of a i don't know walking on eggshells kind of um environment uh or situations where i don't know you kind of had to like I don't want to say traumatic stuff going on, but maybe, I don't know, adversity that was maybe a little bit out of the ordinary.
Esther [11:15]: No, not really.
Adeel [11:17]: Not really. Yeah, yeah. And then I guess as you got older, so you learned to communicate a bit more. How about, I mean, sticking with school, like any reaction from your friends? Did you keep it from them? Did you confide in anybody?
Esther [11:30]: Yeah, so I kind of kept it secret. until I was about 13 and then like my parents knew but with my friends I think well actually I did think I did tell one friend in primary school but in secondary school like it was really year 13 where I was like okay like I have this condition and my friends would be like understanding and stuff
Adeel [11:57]: Yeah, well, that's great. That's great. Yeah. And I mean, I guess in terms of coping, that sounds like, you know, you alluded to how it's gotten better. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? Like, what's what are what have been kind of the things that you feel work the best for you?
Esther [12:14]: Yeah, so So I kind of had this healing that personally, I'm a Christian, so I believe it came from God because we've been praying about it for several years. And one time I was at this youth conference, Christian youth conference, and I asked the leader to pray for me. And she gave me this image of, she told me this image that she got, which was of someone's hugging on Jesus's cloak, which is like a Bible story about this woman who had this condition, like touching Jesus's cloak and she got healed. And then about six months later, I asked for prayer for it again and someone got the exact same image. And I was really shocked. I was like, wow, that's definitely like, I feel like God's definitely like working in that. And so, I mean, initially, I didn't get the healing. I was a bit kind of confused as to, like, why, like, Gautama was, like, giving me this sign and then not heal me. But then, eventually, it did come. Like, and so now, I... Yeah, it's, like, the only people that... um that I haven't really gotten healing over are like my family um and like a couple of other like groups of people but like you know with like I remember one time I was in the study room someone was eating crisps behind me and it wasn't triggering me and I went uh that was that was amazing and um yeah you can tell when we can tell if there's a moment when we are expecting to be triggered and it doesn't happen And I was doing work experience one time in an office and there were like people like slurping and stuff and that would have usually triggered me, but it didn't. And I was like, this is amazing. So, yeah.
Adeel [14:16]: So you're saying your parents are still triggering you, but you're finding situations since those prayers that now you're consistently not being triggered.
Esther [14:29]: Yeah, yeah.
Adeel [14:31]: Are you not being triggered at all? Or are you maybe, I don't know, maybe lightly being triggered and then just kind of coming back to normal faster?
Esther [14:40]: I don't think I am being triggered at all. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I think I don't get triggered at all. But, yeah, like, with the family, it is a bit, like, hard with that. But, you know, I'm still, sometimes I still, like, pray to, like, God to, like, for full healing. And, like, I believe that if that's his will, he'll do that.
Adeel [15:04]: And trying to think through the mental model. So you're thinking of it as God healing the misophonia. Do you also think of it as it kind of somehow maybe also came from God? Or is it just kind of like the healing part is the part that is healing you through prayer?
Esther [15:27]: I mean, well, yeah, I guess it did, like, because, like, God's, like, sovereign over everything. Like, it might not have, he might have just, like, allowed it to happen or, like, you know, I can't speak for him, but, like, you know, he might, I don't know if he, like, was, like, oh, I'm going to get, like, make us to have misophonia or if it was more of, like, okay, I'll allow it. I don't know if it was, like, which one of those it was. But either way, you know, like, I think God can use, you know curses and turn them into like like revelations of his glory like so he can turn something bad into something like good and you know I've been it's amazing having a healing it's a really like special experience so yeah
Adeel [16:17]: And have you been doing, it looks like you went to see a professional around, you said around ninth year, ninth grade for Americans. Has that continued since then or was that just kind of just around then?
Esther [16:32]: yeah so we yes we tried one professional and it yeah it kind of worked but it you know it just helped with the reactions but it didn't like fully work so we tried and that was like for like a year i think and it was like over covered and stuff um and then It was when I was about 14 and 15. I went to see another specialist, like therapist, but that didn't work either.
Adeel [17:11]: So that's been about it. But since then, it's been this kind of like the healing through prayer has kind of worked the best for me. Is it something that you're doing? Well, actually, should I say the counselors or whoever your spiritual advisor, do they know about miscephonia? Did you like talk to them about it? And are they kind of like trying to, I don't know, take it to the next level and try to get your parents out of your head too? Or is it just something that you're kind of like noticed on your own?
Esther [17:42]: Sorry, could you explain the question a bit more?
Adeel [17:46]: Yeah, to simplify it, it's basically like your spiritual advisors or leaders, do they know about misplaced specifically or were they just kind of like giving a prayer and then you noticed that you won't be triggered?
Esther [18:05]: Oh, yeah, I explained to them what, like, misophonia was, because, like, not a lot of people have heard about it, so I just, like, explained what it was briefly, and then, yeah.
Adeel [18:14]: Gotcha, gotcha. Do you know anybody else with misophonia?
Esther [18:18]: Um... I... Like, I know of someone with misophonia. Like, I don't know them, like... I do, like, know them, but I don't, like, know them, like, super well, but... like someone someone's child at my church has like misophonia so yeah um like yeah um and then like there are a few other people who they kind of can like sympathize with me that i don't know if they actually have it but they say like some of my teachers are like when i've told them about it they're like oh yeah i get really annoyed when this happens and stuff like that so yeah yeah
Adeel [18:59]: Well, yeah, I'm curious if, like, that person whose child is misphoned, you know, I'm wondering if they, I don't know, maybe want to get in on the prayer that, you know, that's helped you. Yeah.
Esther [19:12]: Yeah.
Adeel [19:13]: That might be an interesting little group experiment you can all try. Yeah. And so your coping methods, obviously, in the situations where you are still getting triggered, like at home, what do you do? Do you throw on the headphones at home or leave the table?
Esther [19:36]: so i eat all my meals upstairs in my room um so um so the triggers are avoided and then if it's just like my mom having a drink or something i'll um like just go upstairs or something like that but she's she's very understanding so um how about your dad and other siblings yeah um yeah my dad's really understanding too and so um like yeah we'll just do the same thing like we'll move different to different rooms sometimes i yeah i think there are like sometimes where i can put up with him eating if there's like some background noise on like yeah um we like watching tv in the evening together so that will like sometimes cover up but then i think there have been other occasions where that hasn't quite worked so it's a Yeah, so I actually developed Mr. Kinesia in October of 2019. I remember it quite vividly. We were around, like, one of my, like, a relative's house. And for some reason, like, you know when people kind of all, like, I don't know, like, wiggle their foot and, like, bounce up and down and, like, stuff like that? Like, I don't know how to describe it, but, you know, like... when they do that, I started thinking, oh, why is this triggering me? And then it just, that was the first, like, misokinesia trigger. And then it kind of spread out to, so when I saw people, like sipping a drink even if i couldn't hear it that'd still make me feel really uncomfortable or if i saw my like sister eating but with no sound like that would probably still make me feel quite uncomfortable yeah right right does your sister um understand your misfortune yeah yeah all of my family are like now really like supportive and understanding yeah
Adeel [21:48]: That's very cool. Okay. Um, and yeah, then I guess, uh, what about like teachers? I mean, do you have to get accommodations for, um, if we ever like, what about, you know, doing exams?
Esther [22:02]: Yeah, so for some weird reason, I don't know why, I find it easier to deal with if the trigger's in front of me rather than behind me. So I get to sit in the back at exams and then I also get medical rest breaks. So if someone's triggering me, I can just put my hand up and I can go out for however long I need. Yeah, I don't know if... I don't know, I might need to ask about headphones as well, but it's becoming less of a problem now with the healing. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm fine with it now.
Adeel [22:46]: Yeah, that's very cool. And how long has it been since you've noticed that it dissipated now after the prayer healing?
Esther [22:56]: yeah so um the so yeah it's quite interesting because i have had these kind of like i guess i could call them like micro healings uh where like i don't know like no i like that word yeah yeah um where i it's just been like a one-off and it's gone away because like i remember in year six i got one of those Like, there was just this evening where I just sat really close to my sister and my parents were like, why are you moving closer to your sister? She's going to trigger you. But then I was like, no, no, it's fine. And then it went the next day and I was like, oh, I don't know what that was about. Like, it was just like a fluke or something. And then I got, I don't know how exactly like how long ago it was, but it was like quite recent. Like it would have been last year. I think it was last year. One of my neighbours died. um they were like like eating the some like pizza and like that would have usually triggered me but it didn't so i was like and i could kind of understand why because it's um i don't want to really get into it too much but it's like this whole thing like where i find a specific group of people um a lot harder to be triggered by um um it's because of yeah and so i was like oh hang on a second like that seems like a door to healing and so like i kind of had this like whole theory that it because it started out with this specific group of people that i would get triggered by and i had that theory that i would be like that and then um
Adeel [24:30]: there were like when i was in the office a lot of those kind of people were were there um and so a specific group of people are you uh you're trying to be is are you speaking about um um i don't know a certain subgroup of society kind of thing or um yeah yeah i guess so yeah gotcha gotcha okay so it would not trigger you or would trigger you
Esther [24:52]: They would suddenly start to get a bit of healing with that group first, where they wouldn't trigger me.
Adeel [25:04]: Gotcha.
Esther [25:05]: And so, you know, then my theory was confirmed when I was in that office. And I was like, ah, these are the people I thought I wouldn't get triggered by and I'm not getting triggered by. And then it kind of spread out to other people, like people my age and stuff like that. And yeah.
Adeel [25:26]: Was there any relationship between that group of people and then the, I don't know, the church that you were at where you start to feel the healing or was it just kind of a random subset of society?
Esther [25:39]: It's kind of like linked to this thing like that I used to have where I, it was just like, to put it simply, it would just be people that I would like really look up to. And those, but yeah, I'll tell you like, they basically used to be kind of like older, like women. that would be like like good like uh like role models i guess so um yeah and so like having that like positive association with them yeah kind of helped it um so yeah and then slowly you start to expand to other people except your family yeah so i'm still still um asking god for that but uh you know we'll see how it goes
Adeel [26:22]: Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I definitely don't think this point is like an off switch. So it's very much, yeah, something that kind of evolves into. So yeah, hopefully you get to that there. The rest of society, including your family. Yeah, yeah. And the healing, does that, it affects the sound? Is it also like the music can use it? It doesn't happen at all for the same groups?
Esther [26:48]: I... I don't know because it's mainly my family who do like the shaking and stuff yeah so I haven't really been able to test it out but like I don't know. I can't say if it would or not. I haven't had the opportunity.
Adeel [27:09]: You're right, right, right, right. And is, yeah, I mean, I guess, do you want to talk a little bit about that? Is there anything specific about the prayer you think that's helping you? Is it something that you're just kind of asking for? Or is it, I don't know, maybe something about the length of it, the way it sounds? Or, I don't know, the state you have to be in?
Esther [27:35]: um to do it um yeah so like with the prayer um i think it's like it's not like a specific way i pray or anything like that because i think it's it's like what counts is like your your like your heart posture and like why you're asking for it and um stuff like that rather than how you say it because like if you have this like i i think god like would listen to a prayer more um or like a prayer that is um you know that comes from someone who's speaking very poetically but their heart posture is wrong and they're kind of doing it for the wrong motives or just doing it in a way to look be like oh look at me how good i'm praying you know i think god like would um you know, kind of hear the person's prayer who is maybe stuttered sometimes, but their heart posture is right and they're like asking with the right motives. And they're like, so I think it's not about how you pray.
Adeel [28:48]: like why is this genuine yeah yeah yeah um is there something uh i forgot that so you said uh yeah i mean your church leader um did it at first are you doing this kind of regularly asking for the same um uh really from misophonia Or is it something that, you know, you did once or, you know, but you do rarely or something and then it kind of lasts for a while. I'm just curious if you're constantly having to kind of, you know, or if it's part of your daily practice, maybe.
Esther [29:24]: Yeah, so I asked for prayer twice and they got the exact same image. My reaction was so funny, my jaw was just dropped. I was looking at my youth leader like, what, this is crazy. But I really asked for it twice, but I'm like, yeah, I guess it would be good to ask for it again because... yeah, that might be what completes the healing. I don't know. But I guess it would always be good to try rather than not to try.
Adeel [29:54]: Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm curious because I do remember, yeah, the first time it didn't work and then the second time it did. I'm curious if you've kind of like accelerated a little bit or you're just kind of like kind of counting your blessings, no pun intended, and just kind of seeing what happens. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Cool. Are there any, I don't know, any other, well, I was going to ask if there's any other kind of condition. Have you tried this kind of for like your OCD as well? I'm just kind of curious if you've done a similar kind of prayer for other conditions.
Esther [30:29]: So it wasn't like, I know there were people who, um yeah so i think it's always kind of like a mixture like because i think it's for like my my ocd for example i know when i went through because i went through a bit of a mental health crisis like when i was doing when i was in uh it would have been like 15 um and with that was to do with my like rumination ocd and I know there are people, lots of people praying for me. So I think it was like a mixture of that and also like a bit of that, a bit of the techniques I learned from like my therapist and a bit of just me using, because I used to use kind of like Bible verses to like encourage me or just to try and...
Adeel [31:20]: like stop the intrusive thoughts and stuff like that so I think it's always a bit of a mixture with that one but I think prayer was definitely still had a part in it gotcha gotcha and have your you know has anyone in your church yeah well yeah has anyone in your church kind of commented on misophonia I'm just kind of curious if they have I don't know other things they want to that they've thought about misophonia whether it's kind of the source of it or the manifestation of it
Esther [31:50]: No, like, except from, no, not really.
Adeel [31:54]: I'm kind of curious, kind of like, so you're in school now, you know, you're, obviously you've got, you know, you're able to kind of like get your, you know, medical breaks during holidays and whatnot, or during exams and whatnot. Have you thought about what you want to do for work later in life? And kind of how you want to, how you see misophonia in that context?
Esther [32:16]: Yeah, so I'd like to be an occupational therapist. It took me ages to whittle down what I wanted. I had 80 careers, different career ideas, and I had to choose one. So occupational therapy. And again, I think because it's mostly been healed, I don't think it will really affect me too much. I hope it doesn't affect me or anything like that. So yeah.
Adeel [32:43]: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of occupational therapists that know a lot about misophonia, and that'd be super interesting if you can kind of help out, help other misophones in some way.
Esther [32:56]: Yeah, that would be great, yeah.
Adeel [33:01]: So your sister does, I'm guessing does not have misophonia at all, right? No. Was there ever a time where she was kind of like, I don't know, teasing her sister?
Esther [33:13]: No, she didn't tease me. She just... Because, like, it is, like, you've got to see, like, the other side, too, because it does, like, it's not just, like, the person with schizophrenia that affects it, like, affects other family members as well.
Adeel [33:26]: Right.
Esther [33:26]: Because, like, she feels like she was, I guess, being a bit controlled by saying, like, oh, Katie, like, you... you know, you can't, it's going to trigger me eating crackers or whatever. And she, I guess she felt like, oh, why can't I just like eat in my own like household and stuff like that, which is like completely valid. Like, so it is a bit hard finding that balance between like having respect for the person with dysphonia, but also the person who's having to deal with the person having dysphonia as well.
Adeel [33:59]: Yeah, exactly. It sounds like everyone's supportive, but I'm curious if it's ever kind of like caused any rifts or wedges. It seems like your family has done quite a good job, I guess, in being pretty supportive about it. Yeah. How about in, I don't know, if your friends are pretty supportive, any kind of, I don't know, relationships? Has it come up or not been an issue?
Esther [34:26]: no it's not that they're all they're all like lovely so it's like i've just um yeah it was just basically at the start really like the very start of misophonia where it people weren't so supportive but that it was just because it was like a new thing and they didn't understand how much it affected me so yeah other than that i haven't really come across anyone that's like not being supportive
Adeel [34:54]: Right. Yeah. I guess, I don't know any, um, any other things you want to share, uh, about your experience with misophonia or, um, I don't know any learnings or I'm sure you've thought about like, you know, what you said, you've thought about like, you know, how this prayer kind of like affected you so, so deeply. I mean, it's pretty, um, it's a pretty amazing, uh, um, thing to happen because so many of us, uh, you know, are searching for, for anything. We've tried so many things and spent a lot of money. Um, Yeah. Anything else you want to share about kind of like this kind of journey that you're on? It seems to be still going in a positive direction and I hope it continues.
Esther [35:29]: No, not really. I don't know really what else to say. Kind of said what there is, but yeah.
Adeel [35:38]: Like I said, I'd love to keep in touch on that. I know that there are other people who are following on Instagram who also are Christians or some other faith and are talking about misophonia in terms of their faith as well so i'm hoping yeah people listen and can kind of like uh get some insights maybe um i don't know maybe you know reach out to you or or vice yeah yeah yeah that'd be great yeah and uh yeah i don't know if you're following the podcast on instagram but yeah maybe i think i am like start to connect people that way well esther i mean uh yeah super super interesting to super interesting to talk to you glad you glad you came on it's good good to have uh um this this perspective
Esther [36:25]: Yeah, thank you. I've really enjoyed my time here talking. And yeah, it's a brilliant podcast.
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