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Adeel [0:00]: All right, well, Lila, welcome to the podcast again. Great to have you here.
19102594 [0:05]: I'm so happy to be back with you.
Adeel [0:08]: Yeah, so for the maybe the uninitiated, do want to give us a little bit of a, yeah, just a quick background on kind of where you're located, what you do, you've moved around.
19102594 [0:18]: That's true. Oh my gosh, that is so true. We've done three of these podcasts together and I think all three were in different locations. Yes, yeah, you're right, different continents. So here I am now in Toronto, Canada. This is where I'm from and this is where I live now. And I think last time we spoke, I was in my home in California.
Adeel [0:25]: Yeah. Continence maybe even, yeah. Yeah, yeah, awesome. know, I'm from Ottawa, not to jump in, but I lived in Toronto around the Young and Lawrence area right down, yeah, yeah, for about a year in the late, late, late 90s, yeah. So, no, no, no, I'm in Minnesota now. So, yeah. Anyway, sorry, continue, continue, yes. yeah, just kind of, guess, a little bit of update on what you do.
19102594 [0:46]: no way! Whaaaat? my god, I didn't know. Wait, are you still in Ottawa? Okay. That's what I thought. yeah. sorry, what was the other part of the question? Okay, update on what I do. Yeah, so I was a recording touring musician for a long time. So extreme sensitivity to sound in many of the beautiful ways and also the difficult ways with having struggled with misophonia for a very, very long time. And I get, well, it's changed my life. It's because now I am a clinical hypnotherapist in addition to doing other creative endeavors, which will always be.
Adeel [1:33]: Yeah.
19102594 [1:42]: a big part of my life, but I couldn't not follow this path because it completely, completely altered my life. So yeah, I'm practicing hypnotherapy now. I also make music with plants now, which funnily enough is all to do with sound as well. So sound is my life. I would consider myself to be an audiophile. I believe you said that you would consider yourself to be that as well. Is that true? Yeah.
Adeel [2:07]: Absolutely, yeah. I I worked for Pro Tools, DigiDesign for many years early on, yeah, everywhere I live, I've got a mini recording studio that follows me around.
19102594 [2:12]: That's right. That makes so much sense. It's like the pros and cons of the things that are the hardest part of our lives can sometimes also like provide the greatest gift, which sound for me has been that. And it continues to uncover the most beautiful gifts, which we'll talk about today, but that transformation, my healing journey has now provided the gift of hypnotherapy and being able to help other people too. yeah.
Adeel [2:43]: Yeah, amazing. No, you're right about sound. I feel like there's a fine line between appreciation and hypervigilance. And that's kind of the dance that we've been dealing with for many years. So yeah, last time, think you were right. When you were in California, you were telling it, and I got a bunch of emails afterwards about somebody you had been training you or there's somebody in the LA area that you were following.
19102594 [2:51]: Yeah, yes. So real, it's so true. Yeah!
Adeel [3:12]: And so, I mean, that's kind of the last time we talked. So obviously things have progressed since then. Yeah, I'd love to hear, well, I mean, we'd all love to hear kind of what's been going on since then.
19102594 [3:14]: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It's so wonderful to think back to that time. Wonderful and also painful. So I, yeah, like, I think it was probably that last episode we did together so people can listen to that for the story of how I came to hypnotherapy. The TLDR, the short form of that is I met someone, an Uber driver who had just, yeah, like, it's such a wonderful, weird story. But anyway, like, he had just healed his hypo, his, his misophonia.
Adeel [3:25]: you Mm-hmm. All right, yeah. Yeah.
19102594 [3:52]: or was on the beginning of that healing journey anyway and had done it through hypnotherapy. So was like, all right, well, let's stay in touch if this works for you, I'm obviously gonna see the same person. So it did work for him. And so I went to go and see the hypnotherapist. And when I walked into that session, that first day, I was in a big mess, like just a real big mess. I hadn't slept the night before. I was staying at a little like, rental that was very noisy and I felt like trucks were driving through my head like just the sound it was just very challenging. So I walked in there a complete mess and I said to him, if you are able to help me heal this, I'm becoming a hypnotherapist because it's just like the most it's it was the hardest thing for me to imagine living a different life. Basically being in a different brain is what it felt like and
Adeel [4:47]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [4:48]: So of course, here I am. Yeah, did, you know, hypnotherapy started to, you know, I started to experience some shifts within probably a week or two, subtle shifts at first. And, you know, I would say, well, I'm sure we'll get more into this, but now it's been a few years since then. And yeah, like through all of those small subtle changes, I am now a completely different human from the inside out and living. a life that I only kind of dreamed of, that I completely dreamed of. yeah, we'll talk more about that. But yeah, so I did what I said I was going to do, even though I had a lot of resistance. was like, wait, I said I'm going to become a hypnotherapist, but I'm on this totally other path as a musician and artist. Like this doesn't make sense. What am I doing? But I said I would and I did it. And yeah, like I said, just lots of resistance came up around it. I was like, what am I doing becoming a hypnotherapist? This is not the life I thought I was going to be creating. But it's been, I love it. I just love the work so much and to see how helpful it is for people, is actually, I would say it's probably the most rewarding work that I've done. So I'm very, very grateful for it. just, yeah, very grateful for my own transformation first and foremost, yeah.
Adeel [6:08]: Yeah. Right. yeah, couple threads I think, at least me, I'd be interested in is obviously kind of your path to becoming a hypnotherapist. What was that process like? But also, and then internally, kind of like as you're experiencing hypnotherapy, I don't know we even know the right word is, but like how long it took to see...
19102594 [6:12]: I think. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Thank
Adeel [6:35]: I mean, you're obviously talking about it a little bit, like what that path was like to... Because, when people, I'm sure when people think of hypnotherapy, they're like, oh, you go in and you get into this like sleepy days and then snap your fingers and things are okay, or is it a longer process? So, yeah, I think people would love to just kind of hear that because another reason is it's, if it's just become... And misophonia have become a hot topic on social media with...
19102594 [6:52]: Mm-hmm.
Adeel [7:05]: you know, some people claiming to have, you know, magical solutions for everybody. So, but I don't know, just love to hear kind of your, your, your take on, on, on misophonia and hypnotherapy. it apply to everybody and whatnot? And then finally, so I know I'll, I'll, I'll review all these, but just so that they're on in the back of your mind. But I'd love to hear.
19102594 [7:19]: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes.
Adeel [7:34]: Yeah. mean, beyond Misophonia, like, like how has it helped other parts of your life? Because I, I do not think Misophonia is an isolated thing, obviously. And I'm sure you don't either. and I'm trying to move this podcast to a more, uh, I don't know, internally global, um, uh, exploration. So yeah, I'd to hear kind of how it helped everything else. So, um, yeah, you can start wherever you like.
19102594 [7:36]: my god, yeah. Nope. Yep. Yeah. Hmm. That's interesting. Yeah, thank you. Such good questions. Okay, I think a really important question. Also, I'm curious to know after who are those hypnotherapists, or like if it's okay to mention, I'd like to know who those hypnotherapists are.
Adeel [8:09]: Yeah, there's some dude called Camp Mind Blocks in the UK who's like, yeah, he's, yeah, it's kind of controversial, but pretty sure that people are coerced into leaving positive reviews or it just seems, it just seems that way, but not coerced, but like, they're kind of templated.
19102594 [8:13]: okay. Okay, fair. dear. Hmm. Mm, mm, okay.
Adeel [8:36]: positive reviews and I'm probably getting in trouble for saying that but I don't really care. But yeah, that's just why it's become a hot topic in some circles.
19102594 [8:39]: it's all good. Yeah. Yeah. Got you. Interesting. I'm interested to just even see what's going on with that person. Yeah, okay. So I think this is super, super important. The question around like, was it immediate? Is a magic like snap your fingers thing? By the way, snapping fingers can happen. It doesn't have to happen. It's not like a one, two, three, snap and we're all better.
Adeel [8:49]: Yeah. Yeah. Right.
19102594 [9:06]: And I think this is very, very, very, very important for people to understand. And that's why I feel like I'm so well equipped to hold people through their journey because I've been through it. And let me just say, this is the power of hypnotherapy. I'm going to open so many tabs, or maybe you opened a lot of tabs, so I'm going to jump between them because they're all connected. And I'll say this candidly because, my hypnotherapist, we're very close now, he's still my mentor. So the person who healed me,
Adeel [9:23]: Yeah, I did. Yeah.
19102594 [9:35]: or helped me heal myself, I should say, because really, like, it is your own body that does the healing. It's just that someone is guiding you. I did not trust him at first. Like, this guy is so opposite me. He's like, just like, yeah, you know, just we're very, very different. And again, I love him now. He's really been such a wonderful, wonderful person in my life. But I didn't trust him, especially in that first session. And it didn't, it doesn't matter. It didn't matter. It still worked for me.
Adeel [9:47]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [10:03]: And it did take time and he doesn't understand misophonia. He's never experienced anything like that. And that didn't matter either, but I do think that like that is why I really love to hold space for people in their journey because like I really, really get it. And we all as hypnotherapists have a different approach, just like you just mentioned this individual. And then there's like Marisa Peer, who's a big hypnotherapist out there. I like listening to her.
Adeel [10:19]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [10:32]: I do hypnotherapy daily as my own practice, just listening to other people as well, because it is so potent. I like listening to people like that. But everyone has their own approach. And I think it is so important to know that it may not be an immediate fix, especially for something like misophonia, which really is, it's a trauma response, right? So it's complex what has happened. to our brains. And so perhaps there is a magic pill, like maybe some people will have the one hit wonder with it. I haven't met anyone who has. I'm curious to know if you have met anyone who's had like the one session, like the next day you're healed. I just don't, I just don't think that that, I just don't, I just can't imagine that being like very common. It's, it's, yeah. No, please.
Adeel [11:26]: No, I've heard, sorry to even get you off, but I've heard, and I don't actually know anyone who has done it and got the, at least not in person, other than supposed posts online. But what I've heard from other therapists, not just hypnotherapists, is that even if there is a relatively immediate change, that usually comes after a lot of scaffolding that's been done.
19102594 [11:34]: Yeah! Good. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mmm.
Adeel [11:53]: for years in terms of exploring other treatments and aspects of the self. so it's kind of a, yeah, you don't just not think about misphonia and then come in and get fixed quote unquote. It's part of a longer journey. And so there's some pre-work done already, so.
19102594 [11:56]: Mmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think Yeah, it could be. could be. I'm not sure about the pre-work. I'd be curious to once I have, you know, I work with clients on not just, you know, with Misophonia, but on all sorts of things. once I've, you know, had a large enough like experience with people specifically with Misophonia, I'll have a better like sort of response about that. But I know from my own experience, it is not an overnight thing, but I don't care. I don't care. it's, mean, whatever.
Adeel [12:31]: Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, right, at the end of the day it doesn't matter, right, yeah.
19102594 [12:49]: I'm not suffering the way I used to. It's insane. Like I can't even explain to you. Like I am living, like the types of things, sounds, experiences that go completely unnoticed by me now is just a testament to how deeply my brain and my experience has been rewired. And yes, of course there's been so many changes and it is cumulative and
Adeel [13:08]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [13:15]: So I had one in-person session and it was about an hour. And then I had like two kind of follow ups and he recorded them and I would listen to them every now and then, but honestly, not too often. I started to notice subtle shifts. I may have mentioned this last time. Please, please interrupt me if I don't. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Like for instance, you know, and I'm sure people out there, some people out there might relate to this, but if I would go to a yoga class, like my place always is the corner, like I'm the corner spot closest to the door.
Adeel [13:30]: Yeah, I think so. No, no, no, that's fine. I want to hear this again for sure, Yeah.
19102594 [13:46]: I have my earphones or my earplugs, like my loop earplugs on the mat ready to go in case there's like heavy breathing or whatever, because that would just be my entire focus and then I would not have a good class. You know what I mean? Like my entire focus would be that sound. So that was my spot. Now I am definitely a front row girl now. I'm wherever, like, which is wild. But anyway, that's when I first started to notice the changes. I was in a yoga class. I was in Los Angeles at the time and
Adeel [13:59]: Yeah. Yeah.
19102594 [14:16]: I had just had my first session or my sessions, all of those sessions that I just mentioned, the three, they were within a two week period. So they were very close together. And, and I remember being in the yoga class and just doing yoga and then realizing that the sound, could hear the sound of the breathing, but it was in the background. So it was almost like as a musician for, for, for you and myself, or if people know what a mixing board is, it's like, you turn the volume up on one thing, you turn the volume down on something else. That may be too specific of a kind of analogy, but it's as if the volume, just my attention, my focus, my brain was able to focus on being in my own present experience, which was stretching, you know, being in a yoga class and letting people's, the sounds, that would be a trigger, big, big, big trigger for me.
Adeel [14:51]: No. Yeah.
19102594 [15:12]: They just were naturally in the background. wasn't trying. And so that was the first thing I noticed. then, my gosh, would start to have meals. Meals were the worst, worst, worst. They were the number one trigger was the sound of eating. Still, still is. I mean, I still have like minor triggers sometimes. I'll get to that eventually. But yeah, like I said, it's not, you know, it's not like overnight like magic pill. But again, I will get to that. I promise. But it has been subtle. And then, I would start to have meals with people and be like, God, I'm having meals with people without being triggered. And that just continued to expand. I'd have like bigger dinner experiences and still no triggers. then I met my current partner, which is a huge part of the transformation, like to be able to share a life with someone, have meal. my God, we just last week, I think it was last week we had our first and he didn't, he knows, like he obviously knows my journey, but I didn't put music on.
Adeel [15:41]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [16:08]: And that's just, mean, I've been putting music on for meals since I was probably 10 years old. And I used to wear earplugs at the table for a long time. So this was a big deal. I was like very consciously, cause I was reaching for my phone to turn some music on. It's meal time. It's just my natural go-to. And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to not. And he did notice we talked about it like the day after. was like, by the way, did you notice we had a silent meal?
Adeel [16:18]: Yeah.
19102594 [16:33]: And he was like, I did, I didn't want to say anything. And then we had another one. So, you know, again, it's been like, I probably could have done it sooner, but it's a matter of like, I felt safe enough and I'm living my life with him now. share walls, I share a home with someone and their sounds don't bother me. In fact, it's the opposite. And I can explain that as well. That's a big part of, for me anyway, everyone has their own sort of like, what's on the other side of the trauma.
Adeel [16:56]: Mmm.
19102594 [17:03]: And for me, you know, it's connection, it's love. And so to be able to hear someone's sound and it trigger for me now, not trigger is probably not the right word, to evoke a sense of, evoke a sense of love and connection to say, good, there's a sound in the other room, that's my love. And it's heart opening and it's expanding rather than, can you turn that off? So it's like I said, I mean, God, it's just, I am living a 180.
Adeel [17:12]: I'm Yeah
19102594 [17:32]: and it's been incremental steps, one step at a time. And that's why I think it's just so important to reiterate that. I should say some hurdles, some issues, some conditions can be healed in one session, especially phobias. So if you had a, like let's say a fear of flying or claustrophobia or even smoking, cigarette smoker, like long, long, long-term smokers, these are situations that actually
Adeel [17:48]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [18:02]: can sometimes be quote unquote healed or transformed after one session. That is possible. But I do think with things like this that are so deep, like very, very, you know, deep in the physiology that it takes longer. But I just wanted to mention that there can be that kind of what we might call like the magic fix that that is possible.
Adeel [18:11]: Mm-hmm. Yeah, think those are the kind of more the classic hypnotherapy use cases. feel like, yeah, smoking, cessation of smoking, things like that. Yeah, and just to give people context, if you listen back to Lala's first episode, I I couldn't see a picture, but I just imagine you were like in a kind of a glass cage looking at your neighbors and you were in the middle of the interview, you were freaking out about
19102594 [18:35]: Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yes. Yep.
Adeel [18:55]: some sound that was happening like way outside. And so quite a transformation since then.
19102594 [18:59]: Ugh, that was so hard. Yeah, I think about that time. I was in Indonesia at the time. And I think about like that. I lived in a bunch of different places there, but there was like one place where I could hear the motorcycles in the distance, like distance, I'm talking distance, but I could hear that. And that sound was so triggering to me in the home, in the house where I was saying I needed to have a fan on full blown.
Adeel [19:05]: Right. Mm-hmm.
19102594 [19:26]: And sometimes earplugs and my headphones sometimes. I mean, it was really tough looking back and like, how did I think that that was like at all? I'm just so grateful. I'm so grateful for this path. And then the house that where I was when you and I were in that first interview, it was my friends and they were just like listening to music in the next, like in the villa, like right next door. And I think the version of me now would be like, Oh, I love that song. That's a cool song. I want to go join them instead of. Ah, like that sound is out of my control, and like bring up feelings of anger because I can't like, you know, how dare they play music that I can hear in here. So yeah, really, that's a great example just to remember how different it is now. Yep.
Adeel [19:58]: Yeah. Yeah, so you're talking about, yeah, like kind of going down into deep physiological stuff. Was part of this journey exploring older memories and reasons why this trauma response happened? Or did you not have to do that?
19102594 [20:18]: Mm-hmm. Nope. Nope. That's the cool thing about hypnotherapy is you don't like you don't have to go into it. You don't have to go to the point of origin. This journey simply because I have been fascinated by it. I'm like, what the heck just happened to my brain? Like, how is this happening? How? How? I'm just, I'm a very curious person already. I love researching and learning.
Adeel [20:42]: Mm-hmm. Hmm.
19102594 [20:59]: And so really just that's been my investigation into like what did happen to my brain. What happened to me? Like how did that even happen? What is misophonia? So that curiosity brought me to look into my past, but the hypnotherapy sessions itself do not require that. No, absolutely not. In fact, sometimes I would steer clear. Yeah.
Adeel [21:25]: And you got the benefits. Oh really? Okay. Yeah. It's dear Claire because it might, I don't know, might, might complicate things or, or go down rabbit holes maybe.
19102594 [21:33]: Yeah, it's more because we're reprogramming the brain. It's about, you know, we can go in, we don't, okay, so let me say this. We do go into past ways of being, but it doesn't have to be specific events because yeah, that can, you know, bring up the trauma, but it's really about creating new
Adeel [21:40]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [22:04]: new ways of thinking. So we're really reprogrammed towards new ideas. So it's not necessary to go back, but I guess it's almost like having a moment to say thank you. Like for instance with misophonia, like that being a way, like our brain trying to protect us from danger, right? So to have a moment to go into the past and have that moment of like, thank you so much for trying to protect me. And now what we're moving towards is this new way of being. So my focus, not just with hypnotherapy, I'm also, you know, a certified coach and I... I work with an agency doing coaching now, or I have for a few years. it's all a part of it. Same with coaching. We're more future-focused than therapy, for instance, which is really about, and my mom is a therapist. She's a psychotherapist, dream analyst. So I am such a fan of therapy. It is so wonderful. And it is different in regards to like, you are going into that past. And that is a wonderful sidekick. In fact, I would... if someone has the capability like financially or has that support system to be able to have therapy in conjunction with hypnotherapy, that's awesome because then you can do integrative work as well. Like I didn't have that during my transition. I was just, my whole life was changing. I was moving countries and you know, as you mentioned, was a lot of transition. So I didn't have the kind of, yeah. I mean, I was looking back, I'm like, I can do it under the circumstances I was under.
Adeel [23:34]: Yeah.
19102594 [23:44]: I just want to say to people like you can do it too, because I didn't even have like a home. You know, I was like between places trying to find my next home and not with a partner. So it was very lonely and didn't have the budget at the time to invest in both hypnotherapy and have, I'd had one integrative session with a therapist. Thank God. I just cannot. Again, that's why I'm like, yeah, it's so important to have the right. hypnotherapist because if you know, for instance, like I do integrate a therapy with with my clients because it's so like you're you're creating new ideas and new ways of being in the world and that is like you're in your to integrate the changes that are happening is like I would say that if you if you can that's so great. So therapy is is is very, good for that. That's very helpful. But we don't need to go into the past into the specifics. We don't need to rip open the. the wound in order to do the healing to answer your question specifically.
Adeel [24:45]: Yeah, yeah, no, that's good insight. I guess what does a of a session look like? Or maybe starting with how does someone know that hypnotherapy is right for them?
19102594 [24:52]: Yeah. That's such a good question. Well, first of all, would say anyone who's just like, like, obviously, we're talking to people here who have misophonia. anyone out there who like is just like so eager for transformation, like just book, just book a discovery call with, you know, with a hypnotherapist. You'll, you'll, you'll know by if they're a good hypnotherapist, you'll, you'll know by talking to one another about whether or not it feels like a fit, you have to trust the person, right? Like, Actually, hang on, you know what? I'm gonna pause that, because I said, like I said, that's so funny. It's great if you trust the person. I did not trust my hypnotherapist. I did not. I'm a very punctual person, and he was like three minutes late to our discovery call. I'm like so punctual. I'm like, as someone with a severe condition like I did at the time, I was just like, I don't trust this guy, but I...
Adeel [25:42]: What? I would be... yeah. Many of us are perfectionists, so yeah, that might be a deal breaker for many, folks.
19102594 [25:57]: Oh, that's so interesting. And I'm sure that's the way he saw it too. Now that I know him, he was probably like, oh wow, you're really like high strung. But which of course like the hypnotherapy has supported all of that transformation as well. yeah, I didn't really trust him, but it didn't matter. I was so eager for change and I knew he had just helped this other person. So I was like, can I swear?
Adeel [26:20]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, please. Right.
19102594 [26:21]: Okay, was like, I was like, fuck it. You know, like, I don't trust this guy right now. This like, be sort of bald macho dude, like what the heck? And he's three minutes late to my discovery call. And yet it worked. So sorry, I'm going to cancel delete me saying that you need to trust the person. It's wonderful to trust the person. The most important thing, and I don't think I'm, I think I'm off track here, but all of this is, I would say very, very important. Like I asked him,
Adeel [26:31]: Yeah. No, no, no, this is good. Yeah.
19102594 [26:48]: I've asked him so many times, like, what makes a good hypnotherapist? Now that I understand like how the process works, I'm like, what really does it take to be a good hypnotist? He's like, really, you just need to care. You know, like that's the main thing. And then I would say it's very helpful if you you trust the practitioner. But remind me the question, I just went a little bit off track there.
Adeel [27:10]: Yeah, no, was curious what should a person look for? Yeah, first of all, what should a person look for, you've answered, and then what does the first session look like? I actually didn't even know that you could do a discovery call, and that's actually very helpful.
19102594 [27:15]: how does this session work? Yes. Yep. Yep. Yeah, yeah, you should be able to, I would say.
Adeel [27:32]: And then in those discovery calls, what would you recommend people, I guess, ask?
19102594 [27:34]: Okay. Okay, that's such a good question. Okay, so discovery calls, not everyone offers them like my guy Glenn who helped me, my mentor now, he and he was the one who I did his training. So I am trained by him. He's still my mentor. I still see him weekly and I get to bring like all my case studies. He doesn't do discovery calls. He does consultations and he charges for them and granted that's fine. He's been doing this for a long time and he can and I'm sure he's
Adeel [27:43]: Okay.
19102594 [28:05]: has a lot of reasons for doing that. For someone like me, I definitely offer free discovery calls and I think a lot of hypnotherapists out there do. So that might be even sort of the first thing that might feel really safe for someone. So that might be something to look for. And then of course, I would say, I want to say the feeling safe with them, feeling a sense of trust with them.
Adeel [28:13]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [28:32]: But like I just said about Glenn, like I didn't necessarily feel total safety, but I did trust. That's the difference. I trusted because I had the background to know that he had already helped this other person. So I would say ask the hypnotherapist if they have helped other people with the condition that you're dealing with, that that would be really helpful to know. But I'd say it's a feeling thing, you know, check their...
Adeel [28:36]: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
19102594 [29:02]: check their what are they called the not feedback the reviews yeah yeah get it get it
Adeel [29:11]: Are there other credentials or accreditations that people should bother to look for or?
19102594 [29:17]: I mean, the thing about hypnotherapy is like the accreditation is kind of a little bit, well, it's different in different countries, but I would say, yeah, I mean, anyone who's practicing hypnotherapy should be like trained, you know, officially. would not, gosh, I would hope that there are people out there practicing without that training. So yes, of course, check their credentials.
Adeel [29:34]: Yeah.
19102594 [29:45]: And that's really it, like feel into the trust. Yeah, make sure that, you know, if you want like that free discovery call so you can feel their energy and they should do something they could. Everyone again, everyone is so different. And that's why I'm saying like feel into the connection with the person. I would say there has to be some kind of trust. You gotta have some kind of trust. And in my case, like I said, I've said this so many times now, like, yeah, sure. I didn't like have good feels for Glenn, but I trusted.
Adeel [30:04]: Yeah.
19102594 [30:13]: because of his background. And then there, yeah, I would do something called a suggestibility test. It does not, so that's something where you kind of are like testing to see if a person is responsive to suggestions that you make. It's not, you're not really putting them into a full hypnotic state, but you're just checking to see how responsive they are. And even if they're not, I am not responsive by the way. Like I've been to one of Glenn's sort of,
Adeel [30:13]: Yeah. Okay, what is that?
19102594 [30:43]: conventions or whatever you call them, where he's with a whole group and doing some stage hypnosis. He was really silly to choose me as a demo for one of them. I'm like, are you serious? Because I'm not suggestible. I'm not someone who will, if I close my eyes and I'm on a stage, like will my arm raise up or things like that. If he says so, like, no, I'm not one of those people, but guess what? It still works for me. But that's something I'll do with people on a discovery call is just to understand like what we're working with, like how suggestible are they?
Adeel [30:52]: Yeah. Mmm.
19102594 [31:14]: and then you did ask how a session goes, but I'll pause.
Adeel [31:19]: Yeah, well, I'm curious. Yeah, it sounds like the calls are not in, I mean, they're literally calls, not in person. So are sessions, and I think you talked about this last time, I think sessions can be remote, right? I'm just kind of curious how that, yeah, basically how that works, what people should expect in a session and yeah.
19102594 [31:31]: yeah. Yeah. So in a session, first of all, yes, remote. So it is an audio experience, an auditory experience, I should say, where there is not actually a need for visual stimulation for hypnosis to work. So we just need to make sure that there's a hearing capability. So that's why Zoom. Yeah. Yeah. So Zoom does work wonderfully for that.
Adeel [31:49]: Mm-hmm. Right, but that would be important.
19102594 [32:06]: And I would begin, we would begin by talking, talking about some of the specifics around the person's, you know, what they've been experiencing and what they're hoping to experience. We just get to know what's going on. The hypnosis, which begins with what's called an induction, where you take them into that sort of trance-like state, and then you move into a space where there are sort of suggestions.
Adeel [32:12]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [32:34]: that are added into the subconscious while they're in that trance-like or hypnotic state. And then we move through the termination and bring them back into the room. And what happens during the suggestibility state is based on our discussion together and what they've been dealing with. there's kind of a general, like again, every hypnotherapist will have their own way of doing this, their own style. Maybe they also have training in NLP or EMF and like maybe they'll add these kinds of things as well into their sessions. But there's generally a kind of formula that we would follow and we're just sprinkling in the specifics as to what the individual would need to have their own transformation. and then we would come out of that state. And I generally like to end the session pretty soon after they've come out of that state and let them have some downtime after, because it can be pretty intense.
Adeel [33:33]: Yeah. Gotcha. So yeah, just two things there. Getting into the trance-like state that that's you, that's them closing their eyes, just sitting in a chair and you're just, they're just trying to feel relaxed. You're basically kind of getting them relaxed, right? So the, Yeah, yeah.
19102594 [33:58]: Yes. I walk them through all of that. I take them on a little journey, depending on what we're working on, but that's so the induction is about bringing them into that state. So it kind of feels like a guided meditation in many ways. Yeah.
Adeel [34:17]: Yeah. And then at the end you said it can be pretty intense. I'm kind of curious, how do you go from that relaxed trance-like state to an intense dynamic? I'm just kidding. How that dynamic happens. It sounds fascinating. Yeah.
19102594 [34:21]: You can. That's such a good question. Yeah, that's such a good question. A lot of the times it is more of a soft experience. But when I say deep, there generally will be, especially when we're dealing with something, I have a lot of clients who are high anxiety. So we're dealing with transforming their anxiety, or perhaps, you know, physical pain, even things like this, there will be a session where we are really digging into the, again, we don't need to go into the story of where it all started. I'm trying to, how to explain this without, you know, sort of giving away, it's not even about not giving it away, but to explain it. We're taking all of that kind of energy that's been built up in their body and moving it through to release it. So that's how it would get intense.
Adeel [35:06]: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
19102594 [35:26]: But the deep, mean, even when we're moving people towards a beautiful new outcome, there's still such depth because you are meeting the part in them that has been locked or subdued. thinking of like, I also, one of my favorite topics to work on with people is confidence. It's just, cause it's just so, in my experience anyway with my clients has been so, Yeah, so effective. Very, very, very effective. It's just such a tasty, juicy subject. So we are going into some of the like, very briefly touching on the experience of what has been holding them back from the confidence. Again, we don't need to go into the specific stories. For instance, someone I was just dealing with dealt with lot of bullying as a kid. You know, she's a black woman and she dealt with a
Adeel [36:13]: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
19102594 [36:26]: just racial, it's just awful. So sad. So, so sad. And I'm not going to take her back into that, the bullying or the racism that she experienced. No. But it's about meeting that part of herself, the little girl inside, and then moving her towards the new way of being. So yeah, it's deep. It's deep stuff.
Adeel [36:46]: Yeah, interesting. Okay. Yeah. I obviously you've touched on some stuff here that's not misophonia related. Yeah. I'd love to hear. Yeah. I guess kind of your general thoughts on misophonia vis-a-vis, you know, other aspects of a person and, and maybe also, yeah, you know how I jump around. Maybe, maybe also kind of the, you said confidence or other, other just.
19102594 [36:53]: right, yeah. Mmm. Yeah.
Adeel [37:16]: common things that you see that you've helped with your clients.
19102594 [37:19]: Mmm. I think confidence seems to be a common one or a lack of self-esteem. think that, yeah, also anxiety, like I said, that's extremely common. My partner is one of those my God, okay, my partner is one of those people. My partner is also allergic to cats. is another, this is one of those wild sort of magical things about hypnosis, the moments where it's like, what? This is fricking magical. Like there's no explanation for this. I'm sure there is. He is allergic to cats. I have a cat. So I just moved back to Canada to be with him. And here we are in our home here. And of course I brought my cat with me. So he used to be just like, you know, runny nose, sneezing like immediately anytime he was around our cat. so through hypnosis, we did one session and it was like completely gone right away. And then it would sneak back in. We'd do another session again, completely gone. We just did another one the other day. His reaction to, I mean, he holds magic, magic is our cast name. He holds him, he snuggles him, he sticks his face in his fur. And yeah, it does slip sometimes a little bit. And so we'll do a little tune up and that can happen. and we should talk about that too, because it does, it can happen for me a little bit sometimes. You just do a little tune up, but holy moly, speaking of, yeah, like the variety of sessions I do, like,
Adeel [38:42]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [38:52]: Allergies, that's another one that can happen in one session. For my boyfriend, like I said, he's needed a few little like touch-ups, but holy crap, like what? I had no idea before I got into the world of hypnotherapy that allergy was something that you could transform with hypnotherapy, but it is. So that's one. athletic performance, that's huge. So I started practicing on my boyfriend. He's a triathlete as well, and he was able to increase his time.
Adeel [39:16]: Hmm.
19102594 [39:22]: quite substantially and I'm sorry. I'm also dyslexic. I'm dyslexic You're right. That's so funny. But anyway, I've been very supportive with that I know a lot of hypnotherapists work like specifically with athletes I think a lot of I know a lot of Olympic Olympic athletes like use hypnosis now So that's another amazing area and that makes a ton of sense now that I understand how hypnotherapy works It makes sense that that would be
Adeel [39:25]: hopefully decrease this time. I know what you meant.
19102594 [39:51]: very supportive for athletic performance. But yeah, really, gosh, so, so, so many, it's just so supportive, but those are the main ones that I've worked with. Yeah.
Adeel [40:03]: Yeah, and you mentioned tune-ups. And do remember, think from our last call, you got some recordings that you would listen to from, I think, your mentor. Maybe that's the same thing. But yeah, could you kind of talk through that? What is that? Do you give people a recording? I think you literally, you said last time, you got literally the recordings of your sessions and you were listening back to those over and over again, right? Yeah, okay.
19102594 [40:12]: Yes. Yes. What's your name? Yes. That's right. Yeah, exactly. So he recorded, I think he recorded the first one. He did record the first one, And then he recorded the second two, like quote unquote, tune-ups. So I have all three of those recordings now and I haven't used them in a really long time. However, when I talked about slip-ups, what I mean is, like for instance, we were at a cottage with his sister and his sister has, for anyone who's triggered by the sound of eating, you'll get this like his sister is I can't even, I mean, it is the worst really, really like there's something off there. Let's make sure that she never hears this. I love you if she does. but wow, it is really like, I mean, if you can get yourself to a place of being like, this is comedic, how incredibly like anyone, even someone who doesn't have misophonia would be like, wow, do you, can drink without.
Adeel [41:01]: You Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.
19102594 [41:30]: like taking in all of the air and slurping it, you know? That's like face in the plate, open mouth, all the worst things. Okay, so like she walks into the room that I'm in at the cottage and she's kind of locking the door and slurping her tea. I'm like, whoa, this is extreme. You know, I was very proud. I was sitting at the dinner table with his whole family. I came from a broken family.
Adeel [41:34]: Right. Mm.
19102594 [41:57]: you know, divorced families. So I didn't really have that experience of sitting at a table and also the misophonia really disabled that for me, like meal times, like I said, I always plugged my ears, had music. being at the table with his family's parents still together, his sister, like a full family, so healing. my God, this also, I'm like, this is a big topic. We're also touching on the other areas that we heal through healing misophonia. Yep, so I'm also pointing to that right now, like, whoa.
Adeel [42:22]: Yeah, I'd like to get to those.
19102594 [42:27]: sitting at a table, no music with a family. Holy moly, anyway, so then his sister comes into the room and is like blocking me in and is like slurping and I'm like, woo. So I just, you know, after she left, I was like in full blown, you know, well not full blown, but intense trigger. And so I just put on my recording, which I have on me downloaded on my phone and. Then we were eating dinner that night and I was able to focus on the conversation and not focus on her eating. So that's an example of how it can slip. I'm calling it a slip, but it's also like an extreme circumstance. Like things can happen. And I explained with my boyfriend, like, you know, he's been extremely allergic to cats his whole life. He's had two family members die from allergies. One was from an allergy to cats.
Adeel [43:01]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [43:23]: So this is very extreme and yes, well it killed because she was a too, sad, or like a teenager. Like her throat closed up.
Adeel [43:24]: Oh really? I didn't know that that could kill. Okay. Yeah. yeah, okay, yes.
19102594 [43:37]: Yeah, so really scary. So he has that in his family. for him to have like after our first session, probably it was like two weeks of no reaction, all is absolutely incredible. And yeah, we did another session, we did a little tune up and then we did another one. So that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, it's just, can require reinforcement.
Adeel [43:59]: Gotcha.
19102594 [44:00]: Yeah, but I do record all my sessions. I record all my sessions except for the one that I sort of was starting to explain, like the really, really, really, the hard one that we might do depending on the client, but not everyone does that. But I won't record that. But other than that, I will record the whole session and then, yeah, they have it.
Adeel [44:20]: Oh sorry, the hard one is, maybe I missed that, but is there always a kind of a session that you hit that digs deep? Okay, yeah.
19102594 [44:29]: No, not always. I never did it. I never had it from like Glenn never did that with me. I'm trying to think about when we would or wouldn't. Anxiety, probably we will. Phobias, probably we would. Depends on the person too. Not everyone needs to go into like the really hard, intense place.
Adeel [44:42]: Hmm. So then what happens after a session then? Are there things that a person is supposed to think about or do or, yeah.
19102594 [44:56]: Mmm That's such a good question. Well, the way Glenn practices, nope. I had no guidance outside of our sessions. Love you, Glenn, but nope, I had nothing. just had the recordings and that was kind of it. But again, that's why I'm so grateful I've had my own experience because I add things that I feel like we're maybe missing. so, yeah, I definitely will do check-ins between sessions. But really for the client,
Adeel [45:23]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [45:31]: It's incredible because we're going into the subconscious. Like 90, 95 % of our brains are operating from this unconscious state and that's where we're working. So you don't have to do anything. You let it happen. But I would say the more you're able to participate, if you want to expedite the process, it probably would help to listen to those recordings. I didn't at first. I did not listen to those recordings on a regular, probably looking back, I should have, but it wasn't really like encouraged. He didn't tell me whole lot between sessions. So, but yeah, it probably would help me a lot because I was suffering so much at that time. But yeah, yeah, I would recommend that my clients listen between sessions for sure.
Adeel [46:24]: Interesting, okay. And yeah, I mean, guess how long do you spend with clients? mean, is it kind of an ongoing thing or you're kind of like one or two or three and done?
19102594 [46:25]: I'm sorry. Yeah, definitely not forever unless they want to move into coaching, which is a great thing to do because then you're moving towards a new life. no, right now, the way that I'm personally, again, everyone does their own way with Glenn. I signed up for one session and then ended up doing two kind of additional shorter sessions with me. And now he, I can't remember, I think he's doing a minimum
Adeel [46:38]: Yeah. Hmm.
19102594 [47:03]: have ask him, I can't remember, but he's probably doing something similar to what I'm doing, which is like a minimum of four sessions. just think it's like, you can't, like, it just doesn't. If you're working on something, any of these subjects that I've mentioned, anxiety or confidence, like I just, even if you're able to move the needle a lot in the first session, I want to make sure that we are that up and that the person has the support and the integration on the other side of the transformation. So most of my clients are starting with four sessions and we'll probably do them in one month. We can space them out even longer depending on how their progress is going. And with one of my clients, like she's just, mean, really, really, really severe anxiety. It may take us three months, right? It might take us three months of
Adeel [47:46]: Mm-hmm.
19102594 [48:02]: Two to four sessions a month depending how we space it out, but it's like she's lived a life since she was four years old and she's in her 40s now, she's lived her whole life a severe anxiety, panic attacks constantly. So that is, I would still consider that to be an overnight success, you know, if we end up working together for three months, or one month then, the one person I'm talking about. I still see that, yeah.
Adeel [48:23]: Mm-mm.
19102594 [48:30]: as an overnight success, right? Like, I just, you don't hear about that with therapy. Again, I love therapy, but it's, don't, you're not like, okay, I'm gonna go in and like, not, you know, move through my anxiety within three months and have like a whole new way of perceiving and interacting with the world. Like, no, you know, therapy is there for other, for other processes, but it doesn't provide that kind of rapid, transformation, which hypnosis can. So that's the way I do it, is yeah, at least probably four sessions.
Adeel [49:11]: Gotcha, yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, mean, what do you, this is what you're doing full time, that hypnosis and then the, and then coaching, right? And then anytime for music still, or anything else going on, yeah. Just kind of curious what's going on with in general. Nine to five, and nine to five, you have it there.
19102594 [49:20]: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, hearing you say full time, I'm like, my God, actually have, my goodness, I have three careers right now and I'm just, yeah, finding my balance with them. Yeah, hypnotherapy and then the coaching. I work with a wonderful agency and we mostly work with musicians and artists. So that's very rewarding. And I also make music with plants, which I don't know if you noticed. Yeah.
Adeel [49:47]: Mmm. Okay, yeah, let's hear about this. Yeah, yeah.
19102594 [49:54]: It's really cool. Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, you can check out my Instagram there. I don't know if you happen to notice the transformation, but yeah, probably, know, this is, yeah, speaking of my whole life is different. you asked also, this will tie into my Instagram. You asked also like, what are other areas like that you've seen like transform through this, like through the hypnosis or what else have I, yeah, what else have I applied hypnosis to? Everything. Started with Misophonia.
Adeel [50:08]: Yeah. Yeah.
19102594 [50:22]: And then, you know, I was really, really, really, really looking for my partner for so long. I was looking all over the world for him. And yeah, so a big part of, I would say, finding my beloved was absolutely through the process of hypnosis. And the one I was going to get at was abundance. So I've been training my brain in abundance for quite a while now. So I wasn't surprised when I started to go viral first on Instagram and then on TikTok. Like I wasn't surprised at all. So I was like, this makes sense. Because abundance is not just wealth. In fact, abundance is not wealth. Abundance is everything. So it can be friendship, can be love, it can be connection, it can be health, vitality. And so yeah, started to, yeah, so basically I started to make music with plants. And... And that started to pop off. so that's what you can see there. And I'm preparing to launch my YouTube channel based on just tens of thousands of people asking for long form plant sounds. And actually this really does tie into hypnosis in a way. It certainly does actually. People are asking for long form because my videos right now are only one minute long. But I get all of these incredible comments just saying like, I had a migraine. before hearing this and now I don't. Or this put me to sleep and I'm like, wow, that's incredible that this is working for people within 30 seconds to one minute. They are going into a bit of a trance state with these videos because they're listening to these healing frequencies. So I'm like, okay, this is a form of hypnosis. Right now I'm working on like, do I tie them together? Do I keep them as separate spaces? So for now I am just going to launch the YouTube channel so people can meditate and go to sleep to the sound of plant frequencies and probably will weave in. I would love to have a channel just for hypnosis. I just don't have time yet just to be able to provide like for those who may not be able to afford hypnosis or even me like I said every day almost every day I would say like at least five days a week I listen to hypnosis, it's part of my nap time. If I'm gonna take a break between clients, I have a little time off, I'll put on my headphones and do a 15, 20 minute hypnosis for myself. So I'll listen to someone online as well, someone on YouTube. So I would love to be able to provide that for people as well eventually when I have the bandwidth. But anyway, there you go. There's the sort of like response to what am I up to? It's like a lot.
Adeel [52:55]: Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, wonder, so my plant sense, you, yeah, what you mean by that, is that, you putting like piezoelectric mics or something on plants, or how, what are you recording? Curious.
19102594 [53:11]: No. Yeah. I love that. That's a cool visual. So I'm attaching these electrodes. So have you not seen it? Are you asking for other people who are listening right now?
Adeel [53:32]: Well, I don't think I've seen enough. Actually, the first thing I was going to ask you is, your obviously when a link to your Instagram and stuff, is it the same Instagram account that the I think it's Lila XX or something like that? Okay.
19102594 [53:35]: cool. Yeah. Yeah, is. It's XXLylaRose. Yeah, I just started doing it there and then I was like, well, I guess my account is now full of, yeah, me making music with plants. yeah, so you can see it there. I attached, you're going to geek out on this though. my God. Because as an audiophile, not just as an audiophile as you were in the music production world, this whole thing is just wild. My whole message is,
Adeel [53:54]: Yeah. yeah, I see it, okay. Yeah.
19102594 [54:10]: that we are all connected and that's, I've always been an environmentalist beyond all else, bringing people home to caring for our planet. And this device has helped me to spread that message to millions of people. Yeah, I guess bringing them into a hypnotic state. So that's been really profound and cool, Yeah, yeah. So you attach the electrodes to the plant and then that those, frequency or the bioelectrical feedback is sent.
Adeel [54:27]: Interesting. I know I'm looking at what, okay. I'm gonna have to look. Yeah. The, the telemetric signals,
19102594 [54:40]: through the device and then that is sent to my phone. And then I am able to adjust the sounds in my phone. And that's what you're able to hear. Yeah, it's pretty niche world, but seems like people are loving it. So that's where my music is these days and I'm just preparing to do live performances with the plants. And so I will be singing with them. And I do imagine these spaces to be very healing.
Adeel [54:48]: Yeah, OK. Mm-hmm.
19102594 [55:10]: and probably quite a hypnotic experience. We go into hypnosis frequently. Like when you're driving home and you've just realized, how the heck did I just get home? I wasn't paying attention at all. I was in my head, right? But got myself home. You're entering a kind of hypnotic state. When you're entranced by a TV show or a movie, you're entering like a kind of hypnotic state as well. So we are doing it on a regular basis.
Adeel [55:22]: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Right, right. Interesting. Yeah. No, um, very cool. I have not, and it's definitely on my, uh, hypnosis. Yeah. No, it's definitely on my list of things, uh, of, yeah, to try. I'm just finding the right moment. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think, I mean, I think we talked about it at the end of the last episode, but you you were just kind of like, I think you were contemplating becoming a hypnotherapist. Like it was, it was kind of early. And so, um, yeah, I will, uh, I'll hit you up. Maybe, maybe even come.
19102594 [55:43]: We should try it. Have you ever tried it? We should try some time. For sure. We must die, remember that, yeah.
Adeel [56:10]: come up to Toronto again or something.
19102594 [56:12]: my gosh, please do. Or we just do a quote unquote, call it what you will, discovery call. We should just pop on Zoom and like see about, should try the suggestibility test and see how it feels to be in that space. But I know that do you still, you still sort of suffer with mesophonous symptoms? Yeah, yeah.
Adeel [56:17]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I definitely have a lot more awareness of where I think it originated and how it developed. But yeah, it's, yeah, just with a lot of stuff going on, I'm just kind of waiting for the right moment so can focus on it.
19102594 [56:36]: Yeah. Well, I'm here for you and would love more than anything to be able to provide that freedom, you know?
Adeel [56:49]: I- appreciate that a lot and definitely yeah definitely we should we should talk off the yeah off the pod as well and I know that I'm you know as if the last session was any indication those there's gonna be people emailing me about getting into contact with you even though I do always put the links in the show notes people still email but yeah this is this has been yeah
19102594 [57:00]: For sure, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Sure. Well, maybe we can, we can talk about like, I don't know, maybe we can figure something out around offering a discount or something through the, anyway, maybe you'll take this out or maybe leave it in up to you, but let's figure something out. Yeah. I want people to feel like it's accessible to them. So.
Adeel [57:25]: yeah, I've never done that, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sounds good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. But yeah, I mean, we're running, as usual, up to an hour and we can go on for many hours more, but anything else you want to share?
19102594 [57:39]: Yeah. Well, I said this last time and the reason I'm just always so eager, I mean, not always the first time I was in deep suffering, but I've been so eager to share is because I just want people to know there's hope. the life I lived before, I look back and I feel so, I just want to hug. I'm going to hug myself right now. I'm hugging myself just like, I'm so sorry that I had to suffer so much. And I'm so sorry to anyone out there who understands what I'm saying right now that you're suffering. And I really want you all to know like there is hope. There is, there is, there is. Let me be that, just that bright light, that reminder to you that transformation is available, I promise. So, so.
Adeel [58:31]: Well, yeah, let's leave it on that note. will have links everywhere. I think we mentioned the Instagram XXlylaRose, but yeah, thanks again, you know, for the coming on for the third of, I don't know how many more times you'll come on, but I'm sure this will probably won't be the last. There's always something interesting going on with you. And I think, yeah, we all appreciate people like you who are just trying to help and trying to discover and learn.
19102594 [58:40]: Yeah. I'm always here for it. Yeah
Adeel [59:01]: Yeah, thanks again.
19102594 [59:02]: Same to you. Thank you so much for providing this space for so many people out there. So thank you and thank you for having me.
Adeel [59:09]: And cut, okay, and that's kinda how I know.